In the second episode of this series, I speak with Andrew Zoll. He is from Hawai’i and occupied Paiute territory in the so-called United States. I met him in Sweden, where we studied together. Andrew and I discuss the importance of grounding yourself in your emotions and valuing the dynamism in your inner world. We talk about creating space for your emotions while facing the unappealing state of the world. It can be hard to speak to a majority from the viewpoint of a minority, and defensiveness quickly rises. What can we do to not only listen to but really see each other? We’d love to create a safe space where no one has to defend their existence. We establish that recognizing intersectionality is essential in this and find that the problem and the solution often appear to be two sides of the same coin.